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Today’s podcast we discussed how to internalize your stack routine and move forward through the model to make the interactions flow and increase success. We also covered limiting beliefs on beautiful women to boost your confidence while approaching and turning the script to be one being chased.

JAY:   Well, you know I’ve been doing a bunch of sets lately and yes, like there’s good, there’s bad, and I guess the main theme of my call today is that I’m kind of going off the reservation a little bit again, I know Jamie had repeatedly told me not to do this but, well maybe could say, I’m simplifying a little bit because probably I would say, I went out for example like Saturday or Friday night, and probably did about like thirteen sets and it looks like probably about 50% of them they were like calling me out because I was delivering the stacks too wooden and I know I’m like getting better on that. But it’s like I’m sort of, right now I’m playing with the theory of going at it a little bit with a lighter touch and I mean opening the stack, doing the cold read and then like, if I’m feeling it then go on through the stack.

But if sometimes when I’m there at that point of opening,  and I’m there talking to a girl and I’m starting to do the stack, my feeling about it is like, oh s***, you know, this is hard. This is hard s*** , you know, and I’m like not enjoying it. I think it’s all in my bye box. So sometimes I feel like doing it, and like sometimes I just want to do something just pick up on what’s going on there in that moment and just like either, and just go with the flow a little bit more and I say, that’s why I’m kind of saying like I’m sort of playing with the idea of going off the reservation a little bit in order to preserve the vibe that I’m transmitting because I don’t want to be sounding too wooden and forced when I’m delivering the material.

So I wanted to just throw that out there to see what you guys thoughts were on it. You know because, yes, theoretically if you just keep doing the stack over and over and over again, in a span of time, then maybe it will just start sounding good and your vibe will get good. But I guess at this point, I’m sort of doing this at theoretical tinkering with the situation and trying to be a little bit more I guess you could say, respectful of like not swimming against the river of whatever you’re feeling in that moment.

So it’s kind of I know Jamie has told me this a lot of times.

JAMIE:            Hey, Jason, would you mind if I go first this one time?

JASON:           Yeah. Yeah.

JAMIE:            Jay, I’m listening at this and I like want to f***ing strangle you over the other line. Like virtually speaking. I mean remember the analogy, man. The best, this is a type of sales, the best sales people involved use a proven pitch. It’s proven. It will work. Now like, you can tweak things in a way to be you but it’s not going off the reservation. For example, I’ll give you an example of what I mean here. If I do false time constraint, okay I might say, hey, I got to get back to my friends but before I do blank or I could say, hey, my friend over there can’t behave himself if I leave him alone for too long, but before I go… It’s still proven material Jay, you don’t want to veer off that because once you, it’s like, it’s like the whole reason for the boot camp is, one of the main things we do at boot camps is we give you things that will work. This way, this is not easy. Right now like there are two variables, there is the actual material and there’s your delivery. See right now, if it’s not working, there’s only one thing missing, Jay, and that is purely your delivery. See promise, when you start going out with calling out for reservation, now you’re f***ing chaotic mess. Who knows what you’re f***ing up. I’m telling you don’t go down that route. I’ve tried that lot before you’ve tried that. It’s really; it’s a terrible, terrible practice. Otherwise why did you come to boot camp? You know what I’m saying?

JAY:  Right. Right.

JAMIE:            Right now you’re trained to do things that will work. The only reasons it’s not working, the only reason you’re getting called out is because your delivery is off. Now how about this one, Jay, I got called out last night, right? Someone supposed to do that for the sake of doing it. It doesn’t mean that they caught you. Like a girl last night open up on a little street, she goes, she was like, I’ve heard that line before, right, and all I said was, you have a West Coast vibe. There’s no way she heard that before if she did and I mean, I was like a, “Hey, really? You heard it before, huh? Hey! I lost my please. Can you tell me what’s next?”

JAY:  All right!

JAMIE:            Do you hear what I’m saying? Like there is no calling out. The idea is actually kind of enjoyable like Al even told you this, “Are you trying to pick me up?”, “Well, if I was trying to pick you up, I would do something like this. And you go over and actually pick the girl off the floor”. You have fun with it. You almost, you kind of roll with it, like you’re some kind of an Aikido master but it’s your objection handlers that allow you to handle those s*** tests. The real truth Jay is she’s not catching you, she’s testing you. That’s the reality. I had girls in the past ask me if that’s a line and I’d say, “Is that your line? Asking me if I’m using a line?” And I just threw that back at them. Jay, you following me?

JAY:  Right. Yeah. Yeah.

JAMIE:            In the reality, they’re just testing you. They haven’t heard of this s***t before  and if they, even in the craziest chance they had, yeah I mean, again they really haven’t but even they say, even if they claim that, you just use objection handlers like the once I’ve given you, “Is that a line, is that your line asking me if I’m using a line?”, is that, “Are you trying to pick me up?”, “Well, actually if I was trying to pick you up, I would do something like this!”, Or I have another one I do to. Whenever a girl goes, “Are you trying to pick me up?” I’m like, “Well, actually, I’m trying to see if you’re worth picking up”. You know what I’m saying? There’s a million of these, but the ideas—

JAY:  Right! Right!

JAMIE:            The ideas remember they are just testing you, they have not heard that people. That’s b*** s***.  You know, you following me?

JAY:  Yeah! Yeah!

JAMIE:            Don’t let that veer you off of something that will work. And again, the problem is once you start going off the proven track then you risk being a chaotic mess and then it’s— Almost impossible to, next thing you know you’re coming from these calls like one of them said, hello, how’s your night going? Well, now I know why it’s not working because you’re using the same s*** that—you sound like 99.9 % of guys. So…

JAY:  Yeah.

JAMIE:            Then don’t veer off the path, man! What we can do with you is like actually break this down here now. I kind of throw it back to Jason. Let’s break one of these down where you got called out. Give him the full play by play. What did you open with? What did she say to you? You have the full play by play and let see if, you know, what you really could do better.

JAY:   Okay! And this is maybe part of my issue because I’m sort of like a, sometimes and I know you guys asked questions like this for the details and I’m about to give you one. But I’m just saying that a lot of times I don’t remember all the specific details and it’s like I’m stand there talking of a chic. What I probably maybe something that I need aside from setting those little rebuttal lines are maybe just studying the rebuttal lines will help me in this process that just, that I can have a general principle that I, you know, study in terms of like just use rebuttal lines to the s*** test, maybe that will help me. But anyway so like I will go up to a three set the other night and I opened with you know, hey, guys, I just had to come over and introduce myself.

You guys seem like fun. I don’t remember, you know if I said, you know, I’m Jay and it’s nice to meet you,  and then I don’t honestly  remember if  I went straight to the stack but for the most part that night I was. I said something like, you guys seem like your West Coast, and then, oh! No, no, no the three step letting go with that I would like went straight to best friend test and they were sort of standing on a stairway in an outdoor area and I was standing below them, on a stair below sort of looking up, that’s weird but different—

JAMIE: All of that place.

JAY:  Okay.

JASON:   But continue.

JAY:   Yeah, best friends test.  And I don’t remember if I got in to good girl or bad girl because usually with the two or three set I’m running best friends, good girl or bad girl, then girl quoting. But, at some point before I got to I think its maybe during girl quoting, one of the one girl that, are you guys trying to sell something? And I, you know, the first thing I thought that came up with to say was myself.  And then it start to get chaotic from that point because, you know, I didn’t try remember what the heck happened next. There was is just one girl in the three set, she was kind of like busting on me a little bit she’s like, well you know, it wasn’t really a bust, she’s like, remember I told you it was like Eminem or a freaking… or a Steve O. from Jackass.

But, yeah and it was like a, I don’t know, it was just a bunch of b*** s*** that happened after that, you know. I was out of the stack and I mean she was that, she was just riding my ass, you know. I saw ring on her finger and I was talking to her and she’s like, yeah, that’s a ring, and she held up her, she held up her wedding ring finger, well yes, she has her wedding on it. You know like she’s flipping me off and s*** and I just do the, oh! You’re beauty and the beast rolled into one thing, but she was just riding my ass.  You know so, I cannot win.

JASON:   Your delivery, how was your delivery?

JAY:  Well, the delivery was kind of, that was one of those steps where it’s like I wasn’t really inspired to open them.

JAMIE: Yeah.

JAY:  Because they were, there’s like one okay looking one and two that were like Jesus! You know that I wouldn’t… I was just sort of practicing and by that point I probably had had a couple drinks now it was like you know one thirty or something so I rolled up and you tried, I tried to open a little higher energy like you know, hey guys! And then—but I was keeping my energy up throughout the whole thing like I wasn’t like dropping it down. After that initial thing so I just sort of like somewhat artificially you know bolstering the energy so probably sound kind of sale-sy like, hey guys! Are you guys best friend?

JASON:   Oh, I see.

JAY:   You guys make the exact same facial, you know it sounded kind of wooden.

JAMIE:  Yeah like from the way you explaining it to me. You know a couple, a couple of different topics came in. Some of them were like more general in guidelines that I feel would help you. And then of course I’m going to specific details but I’m, you know for not feeling natural thing. Would you agree that when I say, hey guys quick question. So, girl has a boyfriend right? And girl has a boyfriend kisses another guy is that cheating? When I delivered that or when I say over the mic, can you notice the tone and the voice shifts and like the, the vibe I give off of it right away?

JAY:   Yeah it’s sounded natural to me, I mean it sound, like you where genuine about it yeah.

JAMIE: Are you guys best friends? I even put that like intonation in my voice to make it sound like it’s a question and that like—

JAY:  Right.

JAMIE: Or I’m curious about this like, are you guys best friends? I almost act like I’m completely surprised. You guys, because you guys make the exact same facial expressions. Again it’s very like, I like to consider it precise were I just come in and deliver it very like precisely and flawlessly I have like where I’m got to add the voice spikes, were I’m got to add like a question in a voice in the tone.

JAY:  Right.

JAMIE: Do you see how the concept if you would implement certain tone changes in your voice it would sound more natural?

JAY:   Yes, yes.

JASON:  The other thing, you’re talking about it. Not feeling natural and then you’d rather go into free flow? At this point I basically mixed it up where I’m almost like fifty-fifty but that’s because I’ve studied this stuff to the point where I understand the core of it and I really you know personify to why its works. The reason that we emphasize so much the use of the routines especially at the beginning its like  I think a brought this up before but it is like the training wheel concept. You’re basically like you have a model that works and then you’re modeling it to get the same results that the other person following that exact same model is getting. Does that make sense?

JAY:  Yeah.

JAMIE:  So, in the sense basically all the work’s been done for you were you just have to memorize them and delivering them correctly where what help me personify it and really deliver it, I imagine it as if it’s part of my life or I access a past experience or memory that’s similar to that experience or memory and I attach them where when I deliver it now—like funny this s*** happened. I was talking mom earlier, right? And apparently blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Does that concept make sense?

JAY:   Yeah, yeah I think I read about that before, anchoring for something, yeah. Exactly.

JAMIE: So this is one thing I really want you to do. You say you recorded it already and you started listening to it? As you’re listening to it.

JAY:  Which of that? Oh, yeah.

JAMIE: The routines.

JAY:  Right.

JAMIE: Not just deliver it word for word but actually visualize and imagine a situation where you’re talking to a person in front of you. Does that make sense?

JAY:  Yeah.

JAMIE: And with the same visualization think about times where you had a similar thing happen or you think something that can relate, even remotely where you can attach it to that line. So, that’s the memory’s—

JAY:  Yeah! Like the other, like the remote memory to attach the line so it sounds more natural, yeah.

JAMIE: Uh-hmm. Now about them s*** testing you and calling you odd on it. Basically, that’s a controlling the frame. That means that you’re able to stay cool under the pressure, and know you are in the right to communicate versus—

JAY:  Right!

JAMIE: Feeling like you need permission from them to communicate. So, how Jamie will say know this like rebuttal lines? They’re basically portraying that you’re like, hey! You know I see myself as a higher value person and your’ acting up, so that’s when you would actually implement like a nag type thing. I also do it with my body language where like, someone’s cut one off from the group and completely ignore her, and just talked to the two friends were it took a very subtle like if I shift my shoulder just enough were it kind of makes the group dynamic feel like that friend that was giving you problems kind of got kicked out from that group. Does that make sense?

JAY:  Right!

JAMIE: That concept? Another thing I personally do.  Sometimes I just like give them a little sound like, uh-huh, anyway! And then I just stack forward with it.  Like depending on how hard they’re pushing forward for it because a big example is that the opener. A lot of the times some openers like they’ll cling on to them were they keep bringing it up over, and over again even though you’re already deep into the routine.

JAY:  Right!

JAMIE: So in those situations you basically have to like pretend that you didn’t even hear what they said, and just stack forward and keep going in the… you know the energy in the bar is more of like a, like a chaotic… it’s more like a chaotic fluid like kind of vibe were you can’t control. It has so many variable, you know. There’s music, there’s people pushing you, there’s people walking by, there is people getting drinks. So if you have the routines you were able to at least control that aspect of it in yourself  and then if you can control your course up for you can stay calm, you’re able to come off right off the bat with the different energy that when you cut them off, it’s you’re coming off strong enough that when you stack, cut and stack you actually your next routine that you start delivering it just ends up hooking because of the way you deliver it, it demands so much attention to itself.

JAY:  Right!

JAMIE: So, if you’re able to do that, would that feel natural?

JAY:  Yeah! That’s what I’m thinking about, if I redo my recording with those anchored emotion, you know visualizing it to sort of make it sound more natural and then on the                                                               nag aspect of it. One way or another to try to get in to that mindset of a, can have that I don’t know a few cost like a higher value, but see if you deal using rebuttals to deal with those and just keep going you know, one way or another, yeah.

JAMIE: Yeah! Basically, they’re got to test you like it’s got to happen and there’s got to be test every level of this thing, and it’s really—

JAY:  Oh, yeah.

JAMIE: It’s more coming from a place where she wants to know that, don’t take a wrong way or she thinks negatively of you or like has something against you. It’s coming more from a place of like, is this person safe? Is this person got to, bring value to me? Is this person actually man enough to handle me where I’m at? So to me it’s really like, them like cut…   they’re interested so they want to test you to see if like you can really bring it.

JAY:  Right!

JAMIE: So, even if it is or it isn’t true, because I noticed in a lot of cases it is true, because I just plowed through it and I’m able to like get across, but even if isn’t true where it’s like, no, that girl just f*** ing hated me. I still come in with that mind set. Why wouldn’t you choose like a two of that that’s got to amp you up? You know, it’s got to… you’re got to come in with a better state of mind just by having that belief system set in place.

JAY:  Right, yes.

JAMIE: You can reprogram your brain in a way where a lot of these abstract behaviors that you want to implement in to yourself. Over time with repetition and conscious, with conscious repetition of them, you implement these in to yourself. It’s like, it’s like learning how to play a guitar. It’s got to take time and practice to get to that point.

JAY:  Right.

JAMIE: So techniques free fall—yeah, later on when you really hone in on the techniques and understand the concept and logic behind them, that’s when you unlock this new level where you can start going in to a free flow, but even at the beginning when you’re trying out new things, you might, maybe go free flow one or two, and then come back to routine because you know it works. And then, free flow another one or two comments, and then back to a routine. Does that?

JAY:  Right, right.

JAMIE: And it’s really that, and it’s really putting yourself to the point where you have so much, such a big data base in your head where you can pick them out and call them out as you need them where even if you’re using strictly routines at that point, it’s still feels natural because you have a routine perfect for as many possible situations.

JAY:  Right.

JASON:  And that’s, that’s basically the transformation or trans… yeah, the transformation process that goes, the learning process that goes is basically… you would learn the stacks of routines, learn them really well, learn them really well where you can move them around, and shift them around, and access them around whenever you want. And then, you can start really experimenting and f*** with it. Or a—

JAY:  Right.

JASON:  Even deeper level of fun with it.

JAMIE:            Real quick. Is there anyone else on the other, on the line here? I just want to make sure whoever is here, get a chance to…

JASON:           It’s like… Jeremy called in. Jay.

JAMIE:            Hey, Jeremy! Awesome! So Jeremy. Is there anyone else on the call besides Jeremy?

CASSIDEN:  Cassiden called in.

JAMIE:            Okay. Are there any others? Yeah. I just want to make sure we have time for everybody. Let me throw a couple of quick things here because we have two more so we should be good. Well, first, Jason, are you good?

JASON:           Yeah.

JAMIE:            Okay. Oh, yeah. Couple of quick things just because they took minutes as we’re speaking, Jay. Another way to think of go with the flow, here’s the real… I get you want to go with the flow, you want to sound natural, but go with the flow is really what Eric’s talks about like multithreading, that’s a big part of go with the flow. Go with the flow is like when you bring out a topic and she actually really hit like a jackpot like you really have something in common with this girl. Don’t run pass it so quickly, like she went to the same school you did, graduated two years later. Awesome, oh, my god. You’re also in the University of Arizona? Did you know so… you know, you might want to talk a little of that, that’s really another way of free flowing where routines, what they do for you, they give you the opportunity to really listen like you’re enjoying your conversation and not be so concerned about what you’re got to say next.

The idea is to go to your routines, and you’re listening, if she says something in response to what you asked, or in response to what you tell her, listen and these are all fair games for topics you can stack forward to for is free flowing. So that’s not going off of the routines stack. That’s just expanding what is available to use as far as conversations because you have your routines plus you have whatever comes up organically in the conversation.

And the ideas, you know, you have these weigh points and you don’t want to miss them, man. Your qualification, for example, you should be asking you know, hey, how do you guys know each other, within just a few minutes. You don’t want to forget to do that.

JAY:  That’s huge.

JAMIE:            These weight points allow you to move forward purposely. You want to, like for example, one basic… one biggest examples of what free flowing, how free flowing can f*** you up is where we always talk on the community or if you  asked an opinion opener. And then she gives you an answer and all her friends are involved, and they are just so into the opinion opener that they don’t let you continue and 15 minutes later you’re still talking that stupid opinion. That’s not good free flowing because you’re not moving purposely. The idea is you have the—

JAY:  Right.

JAMIE:            Routines or weigh points to keep you moving towards a very clear outcome.

JAY:  Right.

JAMES: So, free flow, in a way, but make sure you don’t free flow and get so off the beating track where you forget like, dude, it’s a fucking, it’s 30 minutes in the conversation and you haven’t moved there yet? You’re got to lose the set then, right?

JAY:  Yes.

JAMIE:            There is a balance and you know to Jason’s point, you will get good at free flowing, but in some ways you’re never got to really free flow because just like a great salesman, you’re got to sell yourself like, okay, it’s been 10 minutes, I’m still on a two… time to move forward.

JAY:  Mm-hm. Right.

JAMIE:            So the stack allows you to keep moving forward purposefully. If you just free flow then who the f***, where the f*** are you?

JAY:  Right, right.

JAMIE:            Make sense?

JAY:  Yeah, yeah. Exactly!

JAMIE:            The multi threading is for air to allow you to free flow because you’re listening to what people say. And you’re like, ooohh. She mention this, this, and this. Ah, these are all topics. Oh, she went to medical school. Oh, that’ll be quite cool to talk about. Maybe I’ll bring it out later. Understand? So your ability to listen is what’s got to allow you to free flow the way where you have all these topics to bring on later.

JAY:  Right! Yeah!

JAMIE:            Also what makes this more natural is having pauses, enunciating, taking your time you’re really playing with your delivery. It’s what’s got to make it sound really interesting. When you pause, you enunciate, and you take your time, doesn’t sound so calculated anymore. Because it—

JAY:  Right!

JAMIE:            You’re giving them the appearances that you really think… it’s kind like what Jason did. Wait a second, are you guys best friends? Like that for example. It’s almost like you’re surprised. You’re not expecting it. If you say it very mechanically, oh, are you best friends? Then it’s like kind of like you’re going down a script. But if you put yourself in like I told you, you put yourself almost on that state of like, wait a second, and are you guy’s best friends? It sounds real and especially in the context that you did an opinion opener whether they’re answering, who lies, men or woman? Or talk about for like two minutes. You now have the excuse to say, because you’ve been absorbing them talking amongst each other wait a second, are you guys best friends? Kind of like that, get it?

JAY:  Right, yeah! And you know? One thing I like about the talking slow with pausing, you know, it’s a real, simple thing that I can remember easily to do. So, but yeah.

JAMIE:             Give it the illusions, even though you know d***well what you’re got to say, make it seem like you’re figuring it out. You get it?

JAY:  Right! Yeah! Oh yeah!

JAMIE:            And it sounds much more natural. That’s really probably one of the things that you tweak. Again, don’t feel off, man. Just practice your delivery. When your delivery gets good, and then like for Jason you have the strong frames and you have your objection handlers, you’re got to have a lot of power. And remember, think of the person s*** testing you, think of her like that, like your little niece Yeah, yeah! Cool! And use them to move forward, you almost like yeah, yeah, her. Like cool man, and then you just move forward almost as if it didn’t matter. You don’t get side track by that person keeps interjecting.

JAY:  Right! Yeah, cool!

JAMIE:            Yeah. Cool, so get this. Keep keys, stay with me.

JAY:  Okay, I get it.

JAMIE:            Don’t call off the reservation, okay?

JAY:  Okay, good! Yeah, I mean you guys give me five or six real good things here that I jot down and work on. Yeah, I appreciate that.

JAMIE: Jay, notice when we like sometimes we do it on purpose to show you when we go to like a routine? Where you will be talking and then we just kind of start talking? But we know that you’re still talk… like basically the way I did it right now, while you were still talking and I just started talking but in my head what I had to say was so important that I just kept talking like nothing  happened. Did you catch that?

JAY:  I didn’t even notice that but I get the concept.

JAMIE: Yeah.

JAY:  I understand the concept. Yeah!

JAMIE: It’s such a little subtle to stop communication thing and that’s how the concept of cutting stack works. Because when you deliver the next routine and then you cut, and then you stack forward with another one instead of letting them control the frame.

JAY:  Right!

JAMIE:            Right! Jason is it cool to move on to…

JAMIE: Yeah!

JAMIE:            Jeremy.

JAMIE: Yeah!

JAMIE:            All right! You’ve got some stuff to play with Jay, okay?

JAY:   All right, thanks!

JAMIE:            You’re very welcome, man! Jeremy, do you want to take over?

JEREMY:  Yeah! It’s from myself. I’ve been… I haven’t done well; I haven’t done much pick up in the sense of like going to a bar or whatnot. But within my job and my other things I’ve been doing I’ve been working on. Opening up everyone that I meet and trying to find common grounds and it’s actually been really helpful. The thing where I get sticky is if I go to introduce myself and says the girl she’s says she’s really super pretty. Its interesting cause all the things that you talked about and you know I’ve read and that higher the cuteness levels the harder the shell is. You know what I mean? And they don’t want to really interact. They’ll avoid every eye contact, all that. Cause you know they think they’ve being hit on so to work through that I need to work on my routine. And so that’s where I’m kind of stuck, I guess. And I just let it, you know I let it go; I just walked away at this point. I know you taught me awhile back nothing… just don’t give a f***. And that for me has like been a big help, a big helpful hand in a sense that when things don’t go the way I see it…

JAMIE:            If you’re not speaking, please keep your mic on mute if you’re not speaking, I hear a lot of background. I hear someone’s singing or something.

JEREMY:  Alright.

JAMIE: In all fairness, Jeremy. Not giving a f*** is easier said than done.

JEREMY:  Yeah. I agree.

JAMIE:  Almost align yourself a warmer process to not give a f*** to some degree. For example.

JEREMY:  Yeah.

JAMIE: You almost got to said in your head like you know at first set I’m got to allow myself just to get fluid, I allow myself to get the neurons firing, I’m got to blow myself out if I need to, whatever. You know its kind more part of the process, you know if you do it you feel lot better. So the whole—

JEREMY:  Yeah.

JASON:   Idea of not getting a f*** is easier said and done. First set you just do it for the sake of doing it knowing that it’ll be lot easier than not giving a fuck. And Jason, will have obviously a different opinion but far easier than not give a f*** after you’ve gotten yourself kind a primed a little bit first.

JEREMY:  Totally, agree. Yeah. So that’s kind where I’m at I don’t have really, I’m started along with them like personal stuff I need to work on but that’s on me and I really don’t have any questions I’m just, everything’s is being said is so helpful and I truly am grateful for this program on like before I signed up for this VIP deal I was super lost and for anyone that’s on here who’s listening all right it’s a good, good program. It really has helped me and I say that from the bottom of my heart, man. It’s solid.

JAMIE: I appreciate that. Like that gave me chills like happy I would have that impact on someone.

JEREMY:  Yeah.

JASON:   Can I… This is one thing I noticed that this little shift could change things because she’s hotter does that really mean that she’s got to be harder to talk to?

JEREMY:  That could be on me you know that could be my perception because it has been my, that’s how I thought my whole life and don’t they say like whatever you think you are. So.

JASON:   Yeah. But what have your actions told you up to this point about that?

JEREMY:  They’re a bit catchy about there just a bit more put off , not put off , they’re more, they’re looking for more than just a hello or you know where is a not so attractive girl will grasp on anything.

JAMIE: But did in the first caller just mentioned that the girls that he approached were like not attractive and they didn’t clasp unto him?

JEREMY:  I have found late so I may not have heard it.

JASON:   So basically I ran down is you know the previous caller approach 3 set that were not attractive and they were just in a sense like challenging him in not being receptive.

JEREMY:  Oh wow.

JASON:   Can I give you my actual personal.

JEREMY:  Please.

JAMIE:  Reality? I guess.

JEREMY:  Yeah!

JAMIE: That you’re just got to have to really prove it to yourself to believe it fully but…

JEREMY:  Yeah!

JAMIE: I actually find like women that are less attractive are more difficult to pick up.


JAMIE: And here’s why. It’s almost like they get this like satisfaction out of rejecting like one of the few guys that approached them so that they can feel good about themselves because they make someone else feel bad.

JEREMY:  Huh? That makes complete them.

JASON:   They less socialize because they get approached less so if they’re not getting approached they’re probably not got to have rebuttals, they’re not got to know how to come back, they’re not got to be more of a social type of person. Does that little shift make sense?

JEREMY:  Totally man. I’m thinking back about my week and you’re so right. Make the s*** turn a thing now that I think about it. Yeah. Because all the women that I’ve… even went out hang out with this one girl and she hit me up on Facebook then anyway we ended up hanging out or whatever and a, but you, other than that you’re right like it’s so interesting. Yeah, you’re right. It’s my perception’s messed up. And of myself and I think I go in with the, with subconscious thoughts that initiate or mess of my conscious, my present moment, you know? Things that and all belief you know?

JASON:   You project your beliefs onto that person.

JEREMY:  Yeah. Exactly, and I’m not leaving or giving him a chance.

JASON:   Yes. Because what I found is that the more attractive she is, up to a point because then I notice there is like this little shift where they feel like they’re super models or something and honestly I don’t find that attractive like that, that like type of personality.

JEREMY:  Nor I, yeah.

JASON:   But more times in that I’ve noticed, basically the generally attractive woman they’re usually more socialize, they’re approach more, they know how to communicate better, they sometimes it’s just this like just like pleasant experience that they like welcome in their lives, like oh cool you know I have this new possibility to meet this person. A lot of them actually more open about their sexuality where which is not that attractive she’s got to have insecurities.

JEREMY:  Yeah.

JAMIE: So really it’s just some made up belief system because when you go out there and actually like if you told yourself, you know what?  I’m got to go approach all the hot chicks just to prove to myself that they’re got to reject me and that the ugly girls were got to be into me”.

JEREMY:  Right. You’re right.

JASON:   If you told me that you did that then I would be like, Okay, his theory is completely right.  Now let’s see if where some of the shift happen.

JEREMY:  Right. I’d make a time for that. It’s me projecting my belief and do it and not even realize I’m doing it.


JEREMY:  Whoa.

JAMIE: And then not knowing what to say being there from where… that’s where the routines come in. Having that said.

JEREMY:  Yeah.

JAMIE: That routine stack, you’re got to be able to more fluid—you can almost turn off that part of your brain that’s telling like, oh, she’s hot I. don’t know what to say, I’m nervous blah, blah, blah. And you just start walking and delivered the routine and by the time that like that nervousness comes down, you already got to be like routines into the conversation with that initial nervousness didn’t even matter in it.  It kind it got covered up by the fact that you were still being interesting.

JEREMY:  Right.  I totally get it. And I did that to an extent yesterday and it was interesting because I number close, I was just at a store, created a good vibe, found terminality talked about that and I had to leave and found something she needed from me. I had a discount on a gym membership she was all about it so, I got her number and like, she was totally into me.

She’s playing with her hair doing all those little tying and stuff. So, yeah and then today I reached out and gave her all the information.  So, this whole thing works, it’s just amazing how much I don’t know still. And I’m just grateful that these phone calls are here. Cause now I just learn something huge about myself. And that’s awesome.

JASON:    Yeah, that’s.

JEREMY:  I didn’t know I was doing that to myself.

JASON:    Yeah.

JEREMY:  Did you know the name? It’s like self-sabotage at its best.

JASON:    Yeah.

JEREMY:  Wow, Yeah. All ready? Well that’s opened up a lot of doors for me and I appreciate you saying that. That’s all I have today.

JASON:   Okay.

JAMIE:            How about this Jeremy?  We’re got to do another call at four. Remember the next call we’re got to do, if anyone is listening by the way, we are, you know, we are a whole personal development company. So we have another call we’re doing at four and if there’s any stuff you want to work on then, you know we do relationship management, wealth building, health, all that stuff, cause actively you might add some good topics for that call, that’s can be in about 16 minutes.

JEREMY:  Perfect.

JAMIE:            So, anything that’s none pick up related will be for that call.

JEREMY:  That sounds great.

JAMIE:            Sound good?

JEREMY:  Yeah, great!

JAMIE:            I think we’ll have a good conversation for that one.  You had a little more there that we probably build to kind of go ever.

JEREMY:  Okay.

JAMIE:            All right? Mr. Cassiden? You’re last but not the least.

CASSIDEN:  Hey, man! Can you hear me?

JAMIE:  Yeah

CASSIDEN:  Perfect. Last time Jason gave me two thumb-bites. Two thumb bites that were like a prize range? I’m wondering, Jason and Jamie, like the thumb-bites were I’m not got to kiss you and another one was, are you coming on to me, right?

JAMIE: Uh-huh.

CASSIDEN:  Okay. I wonder, when do you use those specific thumb-bites? Or like, at what point or say in a pickup do they apply?

JASON:    This is, it’s more of like the comfort phase. Because.


JASON:           In order for you to start delivering that, it’s stop communicating that there has been some value built where even if it’s not as true as you’re saying it, you still want to  be at a point when in  her head,  oh,  okay he’s funny, he’s a cool guy.  So, if you’re doing it right after the opener in the attraction phase up to the qualification phase, you’re not really, you don’t have enough value.  So, for example like,  I’m not got to kiss you, sometimes, I’ll create that little moment of tension where it looks like I’m got to go in for a kiss and  I’ll see her  reaction and I’ll back off and like hey lady I’m not got to kiss you.  Or like if she comes in like playfully taps me or pushes me or something like, hey are you coming unto me?

CASSIDEN:  I doubt.

JAMIE: Does that make sense?  It’s almost like a tease, a playful tease to her doing something positive. Does that make sense?

CASSIDEN:  It makes a lot of sense.

JAMIE: It’s like, the best way I could explain this, really, is like if a girl cold approached you and she was like, hey, you know what, I just thought that you’re really cute and I had to say hi. The first time something like that happened, I was like, what the hell do I respond to this? The next time I was like, okay. Basically she came in, she provided, she brought in input.  So, for you to cling on to that input and get like excited about it, in the sense like, let’s say she taps you on the shoulder and you get all giggly over it. That’s got to show, that’s got to come off as like, maybe he can come off as clinging, he can come off as needy, where if you tease her for it, where, it would almost, it would almost sound like a nag, if you think about it, like hey, are you coming on to me? But, it’s actually, a playful way of rewarding some kind of action that, that she invited.

CASSIDEN:  Okay, I’ve got it.

JAMIE: So, that’s a girl cold approaches you, hey, Cassiden, you know, I just thought that you’re super hot and I had to come and say hi. Are you coming on to me? Hey lady, I’m not got to kiss you, ok? You see?

CASSIDEN:  Okay, I got it.

JAMIE: You see where the times that it had been used? Where the girl’s kind of bringing in the effort, and you want to like up it, and even though she’s not bringing in the effort you can stage the situation where it looks like she brought in the effort.

CASSIDEN:  Like kind of refrain.

JAMIE: Yeah, almost like a qualify, you know when you qualify, whatever answer you get you kind of want instruction whether it’s exactly what  you wanted to hear?


JASON:     It’s, similar to that.

CASSIDEN:  Oh, okay! It makes more sense now.  I got it.

JAMIE:            Jason, is it okay if I add one quick thing?

JAMIE: Yeah! I was got to save here an input.

JAMIE:            Yeah, I don’t really have any input. But I think I, I want to add some of I think we kind of of entertaining, so you guys cast a nurses, nurses? YouTube personally named Big DOSE TV Have you heard of it?


JAMIE:            It’s awesome! And, and anyone who’s still on the call, you should absolutely listen to it. This guy, Basey, he’d just do social experiment, right? So he, so he had this, it’s worth checking out, he does, like always a girls kits and one particularly. No, it would take 5 to 10 minutes, you do this one where, he goes on a college campus, and he just keeps, keep goes over to random girls, says hello and within like 10 seconds he goes, are you hitting on me? That’s all he does.  And it’s awesome! Like you say, are you coming on to me? You just, but he does it within like 5 seconds. I know it’s ridiculous. He’ll go over to a girl and say, hey, can you help me find the library? And she’ll tell where the library is, then he’ll go, are you hitting on me?  It’s worth checking out. I think it will give you some interesting ideas. And also why I have, a lot of fun what we’re doing.  So I would highly encourage you to check out that channel.


JAMIE:            Big Dose TV, yeah.

CASSIDEN:  All right, I’m got to check it out.

JAMIE:            And these guys have fun.  Yeah, that’s all I got though. I’m sure am—


JAMIE:            Go ahead.

CASSIDEN:  By the way, I did have a new interaction recently. I mean if you guys have time.

JAMIE:            Let’s do it real quick, if you can do it really quick because we’re got to another call at four.  Remember though Cassiden, you jump on that one that one is everything outside of pick up that’s our, you know, that’s got to be our core personal development call.  So, but we’re doing another call at for so we want a little bit of, you know, at least 5 minutes in between.  Okay? So if you do it quickly it’s okay.

CASSIDEN:  Well, I’ll just… I’ll get on that call.

JAMIE:            Okay, you but remember yeah, just anything that’s not, no pick up related stop that I call, okay?


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